1000 Ptt user New! 2007/06/15(金) 07:18:19.02 ID:Jx0sAGY0 Dear Japanese, Because of what I posted was disappeared, I repost & modify this article again. Most of us now chat about Click^3 on "Little-Games" board of the Ptt; until now, thousands of guys are attracted and interested in Click^3. Just like(?) 2ch in Japan, Ptt is the largest BBS in Taiwan; more than 700,000 users are registered as well as 70,000 users online all day. The users are mainly undergraduate students and high school students. And, there are about 10,000 boards on Ptt, including these main boards: "Gossiping", "Little-Games", "StupidClown", "joke", "Hate", "sex", "Beauty", "Food", "movie", and so on; every board has hundreds to thousands of articles. Approximately 50,000 articles are posted on Ptt everyday, but some old articles will be removed by the system. If you know traditional Chinese and your PC/Mac can read BIG5 code, welcome to visit here: telnet://ptt.cc (a telnet client required. One of programs which support to telnet is PieTTY, click here to download it: http://tinyurl.com/bmpox run it to surf Ptt by type IP: bbs@ptt.cc; Port: 22; SSH mode) Also, all of the articles on each boards will be reposted on web by Ptt system. This is the web version of Ptt: http://ptt.cc The web version of "Little-Games" board: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Little-Games/index.html The introduction to Ptt on Wikipedia in English: http://tinyurl.com/26x9ej Finally, thanks for your friendly and tolerant to some few impolite guys of us. Sincerely, one of the Ptt users in Taiwan :D (Sorry that my English is poor; thus it has much wrong grammar above.)
In fact, all MAC users can read in BIG5, please download this application. http://iim.nctu.edu.tw/～toki/AlienBBS/20051003_AlienBBS_Alpha_Test_Version.zip
■日本の風土 ヨーロッパの人々には日本の位置をあまりしられておらず、しばしば中国と混同される。 日本は中国の東側に位置する、南北につらなった島々です。 日本は温帯に位置しているが、北部と南部とでは緯度の差が大きく、豪雪地帯からほぼ熱帯にまで変化に富む。 厳密にはアイヌ人や琉球民族など少数民族も含まれ、在日外国人も多くいるがるが、 基本的に単一民族であり、ほとんどの人が日本語を話す。人種はモンゴロイドで黒い髪に黒い瞳、黄色い肌の人々です。 ↓ ■Climate and geography in Japan The exact location of Japan ●supposes to be not well known ●in Europe and is often confused with China. Japan consists of islands ●laying long from the north to the south, located on the ●north-west of the Pacific Ocean. It is mainly placed in the temperate zone, although the climate changes greatly from the north to the south, due to the difference of the latitudes. The are a ●big variety of climates, as in the north, it snows very heavily while in the south, it is subtropical. In June, ●it become a rainy season called “tsuyu”●in the mainland of Japan, and ●it rains almost daily. Basically, Japan is ●a water-rich country. 【There is an expression, “Spend money like water”, meaning to use lots of money as if there is an infinite amount. This shows that the Japanese think that water is very easy to get access to.】 Japanese islands are volcanically active, and because of this, earthquakes are common, many active volcanoes are known, and there are many hot springs. Strictly speaking, there are minority groups such as the Ainu and the ●Okinawan (different theories exist) and foreigners, but basically Japan is a ●single-nation state where most people speak Japanese, ●although differences between each dialects suppose to be bigger than two independent languages in Europe in some cases. The most of the population of Japan are ●yellow-race, with black hair and pupils.
□Ancient age Human has lived in ●Japanese Islands since 100,000 years ago. The present Japan imperial dynasty started in about 3rd century. Many things were introduced ●from/though China, such as Kanji (Chinese character) and Buddhism. Shotoku Taishi, the great regent of Empress Suiko in the 7th century, sent a mail to Chinese emperor that said ●"The Emperor of the land where Sun rises sends a letter to the Emperor of the land where Sun sets", and claimed that ●Japan is equal to China.(In those days, ●the Kings of countries around China had to bow to ●the Chinese emperor) The ●name of the state ●"Nippon", the Japanese name of Japan that means 'the place ●where ●Sun come from' has begun to be used in that period. Horyuji, the oldest wooden architecture in the world was built by him. A lot of temples and ●the famous huge statue of Buddha ware built in Nara, an ancient capital.
□Middle age In 8th century, the capital was ●moved to Kyoto. Then ●the political power moved from emperor to nobles. The exchange with Asian continent became sparse and Japanese original ●cultures ●have grown up greatly. The famous ethnic costume kimono and ●literatures such as '●The Tale of Genji (Genji Monogatari)' was ●written. In 12th century, the period of samurais had come. Many samurai heroes ●took active parts and some shogunates ●(military regime) ●ruled by samurai families which conquered civil war gained central power.
□Early modern age A ●political vacuum ●on the evening of 16th century caused large civil war, and the winner Tokugawa family seized ●the political power in the ●beginning of 17th century. ●Their government was set up in Edo (present Tokyo), and ● 250 years of peaceful age has started. Edo became the ●city with biggest population ●among every cities in the world at the time, and ●civil cultures such as ukiyoe and kabuki are ●grown.
□Modern age The emperor family which was 'the sovereign reigns but doe not rule' over 1000 years was restored by ●royalist samurais, and the new administration promoted Westerernization of ●Japanese society system. Domestically, democracy was introduced and parliamentary government was began. Internationally, Japan won Russo-Japanese War and joined the League of Nations as a parmanent member. Afterwards Japan defeated the ●WW2, but revived economically from burnt ruins.●
【On these historical ●backgrounds, Japan became the country involving the traditional style and the Westerern style.】
現在では近代的なビルが多く建ち並び、鉄骨で出来た家も一般的ですが、 日本の伝統的な家は●木とともに草が使われ（木や草などの天然物で出来ており）、ヨーロッパと違って石は使われません。 Although there are a lot of modern tall buildings and houses have iron frames, traditional Japanese architectures are built from woods with grasses, not from stones like European architectures.
●近代的な家屋にも玄関があり、そこで靴を脱ぎます。（家の中では裸足で過ごします。）●時として屋内専用のスリッパをしようしますが。 湿気の多い気候の為に、昔から入浴の習慣があり、●現代以前でもすくなくとも１～２日に一度は風呂にはいっていました（日本人は１～２日おきに風呂に入ります。 ） Even though in “modern” houses, the most of Japanese houses has “genkan (entrance)” space to put shoes off there. The most of us do not wear shoes inside a house, although sometime we use slippers instead, for internal use. Due to high humidity, we have had bathing tradition for a long, and even before modern days, people had bath at least once 1 or 2 days.
●伝統的な日本仏教は４足動物を食べることを禁じたため、（日本では昔仏教が主な宗教だった為、肉食を禁じられていました。 ） その為に日本食は野菜が中心で、油をあまり使わず、健康食であるとされています。主食はパンではなく米です。 Because Japanese traditional Buddhism forbade eating 4-legs animals, traditional Japanese foods are mainly made from plants【もしくはvegetable】, lean taste, without much oil, recognized as healthy food today. Rice is common staple food.
Japan is surrounded fully by seas, therefore people eat many kind of oceanic products. (not only fish but also squids, octopuses, sea urchins, crabs, shrimps, shellfish, wheels, and many kind of sea weeds) There are much more nouns for fish name in Japanese language comparing to in English language. We use chopsticks to eat. The average lifetime of Japanese people is the longest in the world. Today more people uses bed, but a lot of people put mattresses and quilts on Tatami, Japanese traditional flooring made of woven straw. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatami)
Hi, Japanese.Thanks for your cute pics. （やあ日本人、キュートな絵をありがとな。） But that will be much better if you can draw the breasts bigger! - （けどもっとオパーイがおっきかったらもっとよかったんだお）
FireVolcano Japa'n ke'pes volt meglepete'st okozni: a fordi'ta'suk o'ta folyamatosan no" az elo"nyu"k, lassan o"tvenmillio' kattinta'sna'l ja'r. A hirtelen ero"so"de's oka az E2C3-ra adott va'laszuk, a FireVolcano. Az u'j klikkelo"programro'l egyelo"re keveset tudunk, mert jelszavakkal e's a la'togato' orsza'ga'nak elleno"rze'se'vel ve'dik, de ma'r a'tmentette'k ne'ha'nyan magyar szerverekre is (informa'cio'k a fo'rumban). A program gyakorlatilag egy bo"nge'szo"kiterjeszte's, amely le'nyege, hogy a Firefox (illeto"leg ne'ha'ny ma's) bo"nge'szo"programba plug-inke'nt bee'pi'tve to"bb sza'lon (alapesetben 20-on) futtatja a kattinta'sokat.
update: Felte'telezheto"en a captcha'k sem okoznak neki proble'ma't.
Hi! Do you enjoy clicking? By the way,I got sad rumor you were clicking with FIRE VOLCANO. It's magnificent tool,but made by Japanese clicker. I think the fun of this game is not only conpetition of clicking, but also other movement, for example tool development or agitation against latent clicker. The Game shall be more exciting if such manifold battle will come to life. And I believe you can develop so cool original tools bother Japanese clicker. Good click!
8 以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします。 New! 2007/06/16(土) 06:52:43.08 ID:ongwgj+j0 962 名前: 以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします。 Mail: 投稿日: 2007/06/16(土) 06:48:32.65 ID: hqm7yG100 Sok igazsa'g van abban, amit a fejemhez "va'gtok" (jo' sza'nde'kkal is aka'r)... elfogadom...
aze'rt egy kicsit me'g ke'mkedek:
nem a volcano o"nmaga'ban a csodafegyver... hanem van nekik egy ilyen:
＞93 吹いたｗｗｗｗすばらしいです。 ○○人の真っ赤なホント／Xenophobe's Guide to ○○ という本（たぶん日本では絶版だとおもいますが）という ほんのシリーズがあって、その国の独自なところ、他国には理解されにくいところ、典型的ステレオタイプ等をややオーバーに面白おかしく書かれています。 英国在住の版画人が英国のヘンな習癖をあること無いこと面白おかしく書きまくったHow to be an Alien という本も読んだことがありますが、 これらは一種のジョークなので、あまり厳密性を追求するよりもノリのよさや受けを狙ってもいいとおもいます。（向こうの方もそれが滑稽文だとわかるように） この手のやつはきっと版画の人も好きなんじゃないかな・・・・と勝手に想像してます。
あ、さっそく日本に対する素朴な疑問が入ってますよーって、おいｗｗ Is it true, that people from Osaka cross the road even when the trafficlight is red? -- (Grabowsky) 2007-06-17 08:26:06
Az igazság az, hogy Taiwan fedett kettős kéme vagyok. Itt is már kitört a klikk láz, most harmadikok vagyunk a ranglistán. Próbáltam japán kémként beépülni, de nem sikerült, lebuktam. _________________ ??? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ????????? ???????? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ??????
あんましあっちのフォーラムの自治には関わるべきじゃないし、関わるつもりもないんですが、 日本人や台湾人に濡れ衣を着せようとするユーザーは流石に見過ごせないので書き込んだら… http://hunclicker2.why.hu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=222 Valójában hármas ügynök vagyok. Bár már magam sem tudom. Kérlek Hino ne zavarj össze! （実は俺、3カ国を股にかけるエージェントなんだぜ！なんか俺もよくわかんないけど！ お願いだから邪魔すんな！） ｎｎｋｒ
>>241 ハンガリーには１９９０年ぐらいから学校で英語は必勝科目です。 それに、大学卒業にも英語能力試験が必要です。 だから若い人が英語をできるはずです…が、 普通の人の本当の英語能力を聞けば、まあ… 道路に歩いて誰かを英語で話してみると返事は「…」や「Sorry, no english」や「Sajnalom, nem ertem」になるかもしれません。
http://hunclicker2.why.hu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=330&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180 Srácok! （おまいら！） 1: Ez játék. （これはゲームだ） 2: Imádom ezt a játékot! （このゲームだいすき！） 3:Jó a társaság! （素敵な仲間たち！） 4:Imádom a társaságot （おまいらだいすき！） 5:MC 3.22-t használom és kacsázok(utóbbi 2 órában nem, ezért bocs ) （MCを使ってるよ（以下検閲済）） 6:Amikor nyertünk, büszke voltam, hogy benne lehettem! （勝ったとき、参加してたことを誇りに思ったよ！） 7:Most nem nyerünk? Akkor is büszke vagyok, hogy benne lehetek! （今は勝てそうにない？それでも参加したことを誇りに思うさ！） 8:Jobb a fegyverük a japánoknak? Nekünk előzőleg volt jobb.. （あいつらの武器の方が強い、だって？俺らのだって昔は強かったさ…） 9:Soha ne add fel! （あきらめない！） 10:Együtt elérhetünk mindent! De csak együtt!!! （俺ら、一緒にやれば何でも出来るさ！でも、一緒ってことが大事なんだぜ！！！）
Tapperで思い出したけど、なんでHupperなのって言ってるハンガリー人もいた。 http://hunclicker2.why.hu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=313&start=0 Hupper nevet ki találta ki? mert szar szerintem. az rendbevan, hogy a japánok vipperek, de a magyar név miből van összetéve? pp teljesen értelmetlen. akkormármérne hukkerek, az legalább TJ. （Hupperって誰が名付けたの？何だよコレ。日本人がvipperなのはいいけど、hupperってのはどこから来たの？ ppって全然意味ないじゃん。hukkerにしようぜ。これ少なくとも最高だぜ） ez most komoly? （マジで言ってるの？） Szerintem lehetnénk mondjuk Mapperek is. :D （Mapperでもいいんじゃね？） Mapperek! :lol: :lol: Baka :lol:
Sorry for writing in English, but I don't have much time and it's faster this way.
To respond to the unsent letter in >>320: Even though I may not be the appropriate person to answer your questions (I haven't been following our forum lately), but basically the answer is yes to all your questions.
Shortly after the start of this turn, our side devised a system that allows remote captcha decoding while still depending on human code breakers - this was E2C3. It is a nice system in theory, and it has a lot of potential, but its implementation was not perfect. The clients using it were not error-free and the lousy free web service that hosted the server deleted it without notice. These events caused severe disruptions so our fighting potential was not at its best already - and this was the time when the first news of your automatic weapons reached us. At the same time your click rate began to surge, and these two events combined had a devastating effect on our morale. The appropriate term would be "total brain death".
Some have acquired FireVolcano and modified it to click for us - yet, many began to spread rumors that even these modified versions are clicking for Japan. The total number of clicks done by these modified FV clients are negligible but the adverse effect of FV and the accompanying rumors were significant.
The biggest problem in our camp was - and still is - the complete lack of reliable official communication. When we first heard about FV, there was absolute chaos in our HQ and forums - some half-wits were shouting lies and misunderstandings, other idiots were spreading them. Those who actually had a clue about what's going on were not heard in all the noise.
As a result, Japan has acquired a strong lead, and many in our camp felt that it is pointless to fight in these circumstances, so they left. I think that the Japanese clicker society has a similar constitution: there is a very small core of dedicated individuals who are faithful to the game, and there are a large number of people who has just jumped on the bandwagon when the outlook was good. Now, in Hungary most of the latter group went away and all that is left are the small group of hard-core fighters.
This is certainly good for the mental health of the HQ, as the idiots must have left as well, but the fact remains that we are currently very few.
Personally I don't think that we can muster a successful counterattack in this round - your advantage is simply too big. Yet, there are signs of revival, for example, this: http://dchelp.hu/ftp_users/ptr/?p=103 which is basically a call to arms written in a cool yet enthusiastic tone.
With that, I finish this small essay. You may have won this round, but the game is not over yet. We have not given up.
>>9 やってみた。訂正補足よろしく。 ■Industry Once the main industries in Japan was agriculture and fishery,but they have been replaced to manifacture of car and electrical appliances since 1950's. Though Japan is poor in national resorces,is exporting the high quality products to the world with its high processing technology. The research of high technologies of the robot and the biotechnology is also active.
■Religious circumstances In a Japanese myth, it is said that the male god and the female god mixed the sea together with the heavenly pike and the drop from the pike became Japan islands. These two gods made a lot of gods afterwards,and gave birth to the sun goddess named Amaterasu at the end. In Japan,it is female though most of the sun gods in other countries are male. (It was thought that this god's descendant was an ancestor in the following emperor family.) Moreover, what a lot of gods exist is said "eight million gods" and Japanese feel that they inhabit all things; For example, there are the god of rice, of water, of thunder, and of poverty. Therefore,Japanese people tend to consider the other pantheons of other religions as one of the gods. Such a natural belief (Shintoism) and the Buddhism unite, and it is established to the society in modern days. A modern Japanese has a church wedding, go to the Shinto shrine when his/her child is born, says a Buddhist prayer in a funeral.
本スレの方で、イアンからのメールにある We always state "Anyone who misuses the game with scripts or in any other way will be banned" Please ask your readers not to use scripts. の部分について、「スクリプト＝ツール」の事なのか本人に確認したいという意見が出ています。
Thanks for your e-mail and asking some points such as merchandising producs. I posted your opinions/e-mail to our web sight. There are controversy in our arguments, especially scripts.. I will note those points below. 1. About scripts programmes. We would like to make sure what kind of scripts are unfair programmes in your opinion.
2.About merchandising products. We ask our readers opinions in our web sight.
If you think that scripts are tool programmes, we assume that the degree of pleasure in this clicking game will be reduced. Because we enjoy it with developing the tool programmes to compete rivals.
・「スクリプト＝サーバをクラッシュさせる悪意のコード」であるなら、そのようなコードを使う輩は 我々の仲間ではないし、それを使わせないようにコントロールすることは不可能。 （もちろん、そのような輩がどのISPから接続しているかを突き止める事ができれば ISPに通報する事はできるし、その手伝いをする用意はある） If you think that scripts are harmful programmes to crash servers, we would like to help you to inform the ISP to stop the script attack. Of course those people who use the harmful programmes are not our clickers. Besides it is impossible for us to stop them through the notice in our wiki web sight.
Thanks for your e-mail and asking some points such as merchandising producs. I posted your opinions/e-mail to our web site. There are controversy in our arguments, especially scripts.. I will note those points below.
1. About scripts programmes. We would like to make sure what kind of scripts are unfair programmes in your opinion.
If you think that scripts are tool programmes, we assume that the degree of pleasure in this clicking game will be reduced. Because we enjoy it with developing the tool programmes to compete rivals.
If you think that scripts are harmful programmes to crash servers, we would like to help you to inform the ISP to stop the script attack. Of course those people who use the harmful programmes are not our clickers. Besides it is impossible for us to stop them through the notice in our wiki web sight.
Thanks for your e-mail and asking some points such as merchandising producs. I posted your opinions/e-mail to our web site. There are controversy in our arguments, especially scripts.. I will note those points below.
1. About scripts programmes. We would like to make sure what kind of scripts are unfair programmes in your opinion.
If you think that scripts are tool programmes, we assume that the degree of pleasure in this clicking game will be reduced. Because we enjoy it with developing the tool programmes to compete rivals. Some of our clicker enjoy analysing your game programme tendency. You mean all kind of tools are unfair and not desirable for this game expect clicking mouses, do you?
If you think that scripts are harmful programmes to crash servers, we would like to help you to inform the ISP to stop the script attack. Of course those people who use the harmful programmes are not our clickers. Besides it is impossible for us to stop them through the notice in our wiki web sight.
>>460 こんな感じでしょうか？ If you think that scripts are harmful codes to directlly access the data in servers not via your interface, we would like to help you to inform the ISP to stop the code attack. Of course those people who use the harmful programmes are not our clickers. Besides it is impossible for us to stop them through the notice in our wiki web sight.
Thanks for your e-mail and asking some points such as merchandising products. I posted your opinions/e-mail to our web site. There are controversy issues in our arguments, especially about scripts. I will note those points below.
1. About scripts programmes. We would like to make sure what kind of scripts are unfair programmes in your opinion.
If you think that scripts are tool programmes, we assume that the degree of pleasure in this clicking game will be reduced. Because we enjoy it with developing the tool programmes to compete rivals. Some of our clicker enjoy analysing your game programme tendency. Do you think all kind of tools are unfair and not proper for this game expect clicking mousse?
Do you think that scripts are harmful codes to directly access the data in servers not via your interface? Could you tell us your opinions/meanings please? Anyway, If the attack is from Japan, we would like to help you to inform the ISP to stop the code attack. Of course we believe that those people who use the harmful programmes are not our clickers. Besides it is impossible for us to stop them through the notice in our wiki web site.
2.About merchandising products. We ask our readers opinions in our web site.
>>470 2.About merchandising products. We ask our readers opinions in our web site. Briefly I can introduce some ideas from our readers. We do not want ｔo buy products which are made in China, because we do think clickclickclick game is from the UK. One of very interesting idea is products design with images of certification system.
>>475 こんな感じでしょうか？ 2.About merchandising products. We ask our readers opinions in our web site. The number of response is very high. Briefly I can introduce some ideas from our readers. We want to buy the products which design is related to each nation, and with pictures. We should have the competition of the products design for T-shirts. We do not want ｔo buy products which are made in China, because we do think clickclickclick game is from the UK. One of very interesting idea is products design with images of certification syste
>>478 入れ違いごめんです。 こんな感じでいかがですか？ 2.About merchandising products. We ask our readers opinions in our web site. The number of response is very high. Briefly I can introduce some ideas from our readers. We want to buy the products which design is related to each nation, and with pictures which were painted by Japan, Hungary and Taiwan with respectful and cheerful friendship. We should have the competition of the products design for T-shirts. We do not want ｔo buy products which are made in China, because we do think clickclickclick game is from the UK. Another idea is products design with images of certification system.
＞469 ２段目のDo you think that scripts are harmful codes ・・・というのがなんか違和感があります 「スクリプトとは・・・だと思っているの？」ではなく、「あなたの言われるスクリプトとはこういうものですか？」という聞き方のほうがいいように思います。 意味違ってたらｽﾏｿ
If you meant "the script" you told as harmful programme codes that ・・・ あたりかなぁ・・・なんか自分でもイマイチな気がする文章だけどｗｗ
>>484 Do you think that scripts are harmful codes to directly access the data in servers not via your interface? Could you tell us your opinions/meanings please? いちおう、その次の行にイアンの意見/意味を聞いていたつもりなんですけど、 はっきりしてなかったですね。もっとはっきり聴くために訂正します。 Could you tell us exactly your meanings of scripts please?
＞418 ■Industry Once the main industries in Japan ●were agriculture and fishery, but they have been replaced ●by manufacturing of cars and electrical ●products since 1950's. Though Japan is poor in national ●resources, ●it have been exporting the high quality products to the world with its high processing ●technologies. （●Researches of high technologies of the robot and the biotechnology are also active. ※生物化学およびロボットの研究が盛んだ、よりは、日本のロボット工学は世界一ぃぃぃ！のほうがいいかもｗｗ） →●Japan is on the top of the world in the area of robot engineering.
■Religious circumstances In a Japanese myth, it is said that ●a male god and ●a female god mixed the ●ocean together with ●a heavenly pike●, and ●drops from the pike became ●Japanese islands. These two gods made a lot of gods afterwards, and gave birth to （the sun goddess※言い方自信ないので補足ｐｌｚ）→ the goddess of the sun named Amaterasu at the end. In Japan, （it is female though most of the sun gods in other countries are male. ※ちょっと意味が汲み取りづらい。country よりはmythかな。しかし天空→父、大地→母とするのは 沿地中海地方の神話には共通だけど世界共通というわけでもないような気もする。北欧神話の太陽神は女性だし。世界でも珍しい、とするよりは、古代日本では女性が神聖視されて いたことをさらっと紹介したほうがいいかもしれない。いちおう原文の英訳は）→●the god of the sun is female, though a god of sun is male in most of other myths
Thanks for your e-mail and asking some points such as merchandising products. I posted your opinions/e-mail to our web site. There are controversy issues in our arguments, especially about scripts. I will note those points below.
1. About scripts programmes. We would like to make sure what kind of scripts are unfair programmes in your opinion.
If you think that scripts are tool programmes, we assume that the degree of pleasure in this clicking game will be reduced. Because we enjoy it with developing the tool programmes to compete rivals. Some of our clicker enjoy analysing your game programme tendency. Do you think all kind of tools are unfair and not proper for this game expect clicking mousse?
Do you think that scripts are harmful codes to directly access the data in servers not via your interface? Could you tell us exactly your meanings of scripts please? Anyway, If the attack is from Japan, we would like to help you to inform the ISP to stop the code attack. Of course we believe that those people who use the harmful programmes are not our clickers. Besides it is impossible for us to stop them through the notice in our wiki web site.
2.About merchandising products. We ask our readers opinions in our web site. The number of response is very high. Briefly I can introduce some ideas from our readers. -They want to buy the products which design is related to each nation, and with pictures which were painted by Japan, Hungary and Taiwan with respectful and cheerful friendship. -They should have the competition of the products design for T-shirts. -They do not want ｔo buy products which are made in China, because we do think clickclickclick game is from the UK. Another idea is products design with images of certification system.
Thanks for your e-mail and asking some points such as merchandising products. I posted your opinions/e-mail to our web site. There are controversy issues in our arguments, especially about scripts. I will note those points below.
1. About scripts programmes. We would like to make sure what kind of scripts are unfair programmes in your opinion.
If you think that scripts are tool programmes, we assume that the degree of pleasure in this clicking game will be reduced. Because we enjoy it with developing the tool programmes to compete rivals. Some of our clicker enjoy analysing your game programme tendency. Do you think all kind of tools are unfair and not proper for this game expect clicking mousse?
Do you think that scripts are harmful codes to directly access the data in servers not via your interface? Could you tell us exactly your meanings of scripts please? Anyway, If the attack is from Japan, we would like to help you to inform the ISP to stop the code attack. Of course we believe that those people who use the harmful programmes are not our clickers. Besides it is impossible for us to stop them through the notice in our wiki web site.
2.About merchandising products. We ask our readers opinions in our web site. The number of response is very high. Briefly I can introduce some ideas from our readers. They want to buy the products which design is related to each nation, and with pictures which were painted by Japan, Hungary and Taiwan sides with respectful and cheerful friendship. They should have the competition of the products design for T-shirts. They do not want to buy products which are made in China, because they do thinkclickclickclick game is from the UK. Another idea is products design with images of certification system.
＞490 Do you think that scripts are harmful codes to directly access the data in servers not via your interface? 「あなたは、スクリプトとは・・・だと思っているの？」では意味が分からないので削除してもいいかもしれません。 ＞493 exceptっぽいですね。
＞415 続き ●が変更点です。 (It was thought that this god's descendant was an ancestor in the following emperor family.)→It was believed あるいは told that this goddess’ descendants became Japanese imperial family. (Moreover, what a lot of gods exist is said "eight million gods" and ※わかりづらい)→ Japanese people feel that many gods inhabit ●everywhere; For example, there are ● gods of rice, of water, of thunder, and of poverty. ●It is told that there are millions of gods, from the viewpoint of animism. Therefore, Japanese people tend to consider the other pantheons of other religions as one of the gods. Such a natural belief (Shintoism) and the Buddhism ●influenced each other in Japan. In other word, they were “mixed together”. (and it is established to the society in modern days.※難しい)→ Up to now, this “mixed-up” belief has been established in the society. A ●typical modern Japanese has a church wedding, ●goes to ●a Shintoism shrine when his/her child is born, ●has a Buddhist funeral funeral service.
Thanks for your e-mail and asking some points such as merchandising products. I posted your opinions/e-mail to our web site. There are controversy issues in our arguments, especially about "scripts". I will note those points below.
1. About "scripts" programmes. We would like to make sure what kind of scripts are unfair programmes in your opinion.
If you think that "scripts" are tool programmes, we assume that the degree of pleasure in this clicking game will be reduced. Because we enjoy it with developing the tool programmes to compete rivals. Some of our clicker enjoy analysing your game programme tendency. Do you think all kind of tools are unfair and not proper for this game except clicking mouse?
Do you think that "scripts" are harmful codes to directly access the data in servers not via your interface? Could you tell us exactly your meanings of scripts please? Anyway, If the attack is from Japan, we would like to help you to inform the ISP to stop the code attack. Of course we believe that those people who use the harmful programmes are not our clickers. Besides it is impossible for us to stop them through the notice in our wiki web site.
2.About merchandising products. We ask our readers opinions in our web site. The number of response is very high. Briefly I can introduce some ideas from our readers. They want to buy the products which design is related to each nation, and with pictures which were painted by Japan, Hungary and Taiwan sides with respectful and cheerful friendship. They should have the competition of the products design for T-shirts. They do not want to buy products which are made in China, because they do thinkclickclickclick game is from the UK. Another idea is products design with images of certification system.
Thanks for your e-mail and asking some points such as merchandising products. I posted your opinions/e-mail to our web site. There are controversy issues in our arguments, especially about "scripts". I will note those points below.
1. About "scripts" programmes. We would like to make sure what kind of scripts are unfair programmes in your opinion.
If you think that "scripts" are tool programmes, we assume that the degree of pleasure in this clicking game will be reduced. Because we enjoy it with developing the tool programmes to compete rivals. Some of our clicker enjoy analysing your game programme tendency. Do you think all kind of tools are unfair and not proper for this game except clicking mouse?
Could you tell us exactly your meanings of scripts please? Anyway, If the attack is from Japan, we would like to help you to inform the ISP to stop the code attack. Of course we believe that those people who use the harmful programmes are not our clickers. Besides it is impossible for us to stop them through the notice in our wiki web site.
2.About merchandising products. We ask our readers opinions in our web site. The number of response is very high. Briefly I can introduce some ideas from our readers. -They want to buy the products which design is related to each nation, and with pictures which were painted by Japan, Hungary and Taiwan sides with respectful and cheerful friendship. -They should have the competition of the products design for T-shirts. -They do not want to buy products which are made in China, because they do thinkclickclickclick game is from the UK. -nother idea is products design with images of certification system.
＞488 「the sun goddess」でOKっぽいので訂正 ■Religious circumstances （中略） These two gods made a lot of gods afterwards, and gave birth to the sun goddess Amaterasu at the end.
Now, many Japanese players are using a couple of software with automatic image recognition, and they can just increase the count of click without checking their PC. However, most Japanese players think that those software are allowed to use and that using the software is still fair, because we are not exactly sure which are scripts you mean and which are not.
Do you think it's fair?
まあ、英語の間違いや日本チームの意識に対して懐疑的なことは目をつぶってくださいな。 で、返事が
Hi, Thanks for your email. Actually, ALL scripts cause us a problem. No scripts or automated processes are allowed. In fact so many scripts were being sent to the server that it crashed and was down all last night. We can not run the game with scripts being used. Ian.
>>548 ＞No scripts or automated processes are allowed. ＞No scripts or automated processes are allowed. ＞No scripts or automated processes are allowed. （スクリプトも自動認証も、ダメなんだからねっ）
Hi, Thanks for your email. （メールありがとう） Actually, ALL scripts cause us a problem. （ていうか、スクリプトは問題を引き起こすんだってば） No scripts or automated processes are allowed. （スクリプトも自動化された処理も許可しないよ） In fact so many scripts were being sent to the server that it crashed and was down all last night. （昨日の晩も大量のスクリプトがサーバーに送られてきてクラッシュしちゃったんだし） We can not run the game with scripts being used. （スクリプト使われちゃこの先ゲームを正常に続行できないよ） Ian.
本スレより 376 名前： 以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします。 [sage] 投稿日： 2007/06/21(木) 21:10:45.58 ID:yHS2EOl90 公式のaboutページ http://www.clickclickclick.com/about.asp ここの最後の一文 "Anyone who misuses the game with scripts or in any other way will be banned. " これって前からあったっけ？
>>587 wikiからの転載だけど、解釈としては Anyone who misuses the game with scripts or in any other way will be banned. 「スクリプトその他の類いを使ってゲームで不正しようとする人はBANされるよ」 こういう形が無難ではないでしょうか。 「正しい」使い方をすればokなんて言っている訳ではないことは、強調しておくべきかと。
Hi, Actually, anyone who uses ANY form of script or automated process causes us problems. The server was down all last night due to the scripts being sent to it. The game can not run properly if people do this. It is a real problem for the game.
Thank you for your advice on the merchandising - very useful thanks, Ian.
Hi, Actually, anyone who uses ANY form of script or automated process causes us problems. The server was down all last night due to the scripts being sent to it. The game can not run properly if people do this. It is a real problem for the game.
Thank you for your advice on the merchandising - very useful thanks, Ian.
Dear Vipper Friens! Unfortunately, Ian, the funny webmaster of CCC banned out the half Hupper team from the Game. This way, we can not rival with you in Game 6. Good Luck to You vs Taiwan! -- (One Hupper) 2007-06-22 05:53:57
Hi, どうも。 Actually, anyone who uses ANY form of script or automated process causes どんな形であれスクリプトや作業を自動化するものを使えば問題の原因になる、 us problems. ってのがほんとのところです。 The server was down all last night due to the scripts being sent to it. スクリプトが送られてたんで昨日の夜はずっとサーバが落ちてました。 The game can not run properly if people do this. こういうことをやる人がいるとゲームがちゃんと進みません。 It is a real problem for the game. これはほんとにゲームにとって深刻な問題なんです。
Thank you for your advice on the merchandising - very useful thanks, 販売促進のアドバイス、感謝します。とても役に立ちます。 Ian. イアン
日本仏教との関連も厳密には間違いかもしれないですね． ウサギは鳥なので食べてよし，とした坊さんの話や， 明治維新時に牛を食べる欧米文化を恐ろしい事だと考えた事などを考えると， 「古来，日本では４足動物を食べることを嫌い，したがって食の中心となるのは 植物性の食材および鳥肉類，海産物」のほうが正確かもしれません． traditionally, in the most area, to eat 4-legs animals is thought as a taboo. therefore, mainly japanese foods are made from plants/vegetables, chickens, ducks, and productions from seas.
＞肉食 http://drhnakai.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sub1-59.htm シカやイノシシは普通に食べられていたらしい。 ウシやニワトリは肉食禁止の詔の対象だったけど、戦国武将やキリシタン大名は食べてたみたい。 ようするに畜産業が定着してなかったから欧米より肉を食べないって言うことなのかな･･･？ いっそ、「古来，日本では食の中心となるのは 植物性の食材および鳥肉類，海産物」だけとか？ mainly japanese foods are made from plants/vegetables, chickens,ducks, and productions from seas.
・日本人は出汁（昆布や魚介類のエキス）の味に敏感であり、その味をウマミと呼んで甘味や塩味と区別した。ウマミの概念を国際的に提唱したのも日本人の学者である。 出汁の成分が日本食に不足しがちなアミノ酸を吸収する助けになったことがその背景にあるといわれている。 Japanese people are sensitive to taste of dashi(essences of marine products),and call the taste "umami" in distinction from sweetness and saltiness.It was Japanese sdentists that advocated taht concept of umami internationally. It is said that the background is what dashi's constituents help us assimilate amino acid,that tends to be insufficient in Japanese food.
japanese people are very sensitive to the taste of "dashi" (extract from edible kelp, fish and so on). possibly, as the background., this is caused by the fact that the components from "dashi" helps absorpting amino acid, which have tend to be lack in japanese food. the taste of "dashi" is named as "umami". the concept of "umami" is proposed academicaly by a japanese scholer, and today umami is commonly known as one of the 5 basic taste. (more information, refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami)
We aim to run a fair game always. We struggle to keep the server live sometimes. Since the start we have... Increased our bandwidth and moved to a new server. We always state "Anyone who misuses the game with scripts or in any other way will be banned" Please ask your readers not to use scripts. As we wish to keep the game fair and credible. We plan to keep developing the game. We would be interested to know which "game items" your viewers would be interested in. Would "CLICK" mouse mats and stickers be of interest and / or other things? （06/20）
Actually, ALL scripts cause us a problem. No scripts or automated processes are allowed. In fact so many scripts were being sent to the server that it crashed and was down all last night. We can not run the game with scripts being used. （06/21）
We aim to run a fair game always. こちら側の目標は常に公平なゲームを運営することです。 We struggle to keep the server live sometimes. サーバが死なないようにするため時々苦労しています。 Since the start we have... スタート時から…… Increased our bandwidth and moved to a new server. こちら側の帯域を拡大してきましたし、サーバも新しいのに変えました。 We always state "Anyone who misuses the game with scripts or in any other way will be banned" 我々は「スクリプトやその他どんな方法でもゲームを不正利用する者はアクセス禁止とする」と常に述べています。 Please ask your readers not to use scripts. そちらの読者の方々にどうかスクリプトを使用しないよう伝えてください。 As we wish to keep the game fair and credible. ゲームの公正さや信頼を保ちたいのです。 We plan to keep developing the game. 我々はゲームを発展させ続けていきたいと考えています。 We would be interested to know which "game items" your viewers would be interested in. 観覧者の方々はどの「ゲームグッズ」に興味があるのか知りたいのですが…… Would "CLICK" mouse mats and stickers be of interest and / or other things? 「CLICK」マウスパッド、ステッカー、その他……どれに興味がありますか？
まあ、俺も英語の母語話者じゃないけど、イアンから来たメールの英語は変だと思う。 例えば、>>658の6月20日のメールで、「always」と「sometimes」 のような時間の副詞を分の終わりに置くのは珍しい。 「We always aim to run a fair game.」の方は自然になると思う。それに分も短くて簡単だし、 言葉遣いも上級じゃないみたい。ツールもスクリプトと呼ぶことも誤解をかけたし。 それに、イアンは自分が作った現象の本当の大きさを気づいていない感じだ。
Traditionally, in the most area, to eat 4-legs animals is thought as a taboo. Therefore, mainly japanese foods are made from plants/vegetables, chickens, ducks, and seafoods. lean taste, without much oil, recognized as healthy food today. Rice is common staple food.
Japanese people are very sensitive to the taste of "dashi" (extract from edible kelp, fish and so on). Possibly, as the background, this is caused by the fact that the components from "dashi" help assimilate amino acid, which have tend to be lack in japanese food. The taste of "dashi" is named as "umami". The concept of "umami" is proposed academicaly by a japanese scholer, and today umami is commonly known as one of the 5 basic taste. (more information, refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami)
○The most studies agree that the present Japanese imperial dynasty started at least more than 1,500 years ago. It is the oldest existing dynasty of the world. ○すくなくとも１５００年以上前に、現在の天皇につながる王朝が誕生したことは広く 認められている。これは現存する王朝では世界で最も古いものである。
○Therefore, Japanese people tend to consider the other pantheons of other religions as one of the gods, and are generous with other religions. Such a natural belief (Shintoism) and the Buddhism influenced each other in Japan. In other word, they were "mixed together". Up to now, this "mixed-up" belief has been established in the society.
During this clicking war, I guess that many of you guys got questions such as "Why the hell the Japanese guys are getting so crazy on this?" "What the **** the Japanese are?!". To give you the answer of these, I'd like to introduce our country Japan briefly.
Unfortunately, more than 70% of Japanese land is covered by forests on high mountains which we cannot use for farms, and is always facing to the mighty nature's graet menaces such as volcanos, typhoons, earthquakes and many more. But we are living in islands and we are surrounded completely by seas, thus we cannot escape from this place! We tried our best to resistance fight against the menaces from the nature, but at the end, we gave up. 【】
The great advantage of islands' nation is avoidability from the menaces, not from the nature, but from foreign people. The Japanese could live without many invasion from foreign countries. our culture could grow independently, as a very unique one. Ofcource, influences from China, which have been a super power for a long, is not negligible. For example, the language. Although Japanese language is complete independent and has no similarity with Chinese, around a half of our words are made of Chinese characters. This kind of things can be seen in Vietnamese, and Korean also, but it is only in Japanese to use Chinese characters with the nation's original letter (I mean Japanese characters) mixed together. I guess from these, it's possible that many of you guys confound Japan/Japanese with China/Chinese.... But at least, I'd love you to remember that Jackie Chan is NOT Japanese but Chinese.
>>794 http://www33.atwiki.jp/clickvip/pages/45.html 例えば、この応答中にある （質問） Now, many Japanese players are using a couple of >software with automatic image recognition, and they can just increase the count of click without checking their PC. However, most Japanese players think that those software are allowed to use and that using the software is still fair, because we are not exactly sure which are scripts you mean and which are not. Do you think it's fair? （返答） Hi, Thanks for your email. Actually, ALL scripts cause us a problem. No scripts or automated processes are allowed. In fact so many scripts were being sent to the server that it crashed and was down all last night. We can not run the game with scripts being used. Ian.
＞No scripts or automated processes are allowed. 「automated processes」とは何のこと？ 「automated processes」はあくまで「automated processes」であり、 ツールではないというのならいいけど。
http://hunclicker2.why.hu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14&start=120 "Még egy nagyon szép kép... köszönjük! Én úgy vagyok vele, hogy már csak ezért is megéri klikkelni, nagyon kawaii lett Han-chan. Ha esetleg lenne még egy-két háttérkép, szívesen fogadnánk azt is szerintem. Köszönet mégegyszer!" （すげえ可愛い…ありがとう！ 俺、実はハンガリーたんの為だけにクリックしてるんだお。 もし他にも絵があるなら是非受け取りたいです！ もう一度…ありがとう！）
The are a big variety of climates, ↓ There is a big variety of climates,
The emperor family which was 'the sovereign reigns but doe not rule' ↓ The emperor family which was 'the sovereign reigns but does not rule'
Therefore, mainly japanese foods are made from plants/vegetables, chickens, ducks, and productions from seas. ↓ Therefore, mainly japanese foods are made from plants/vegetables, chickens, ducks, and products from seas.
＞763 ＞800 ありがとうございます。すばらしいです。 Such a generousness to the nature and foreign cultures seems to be related with religious irreligious. The Japanese have been polytheist since the ancient era. This is based on animism, the belief that souls inhabit all objects and affairs. "rice god", "kitchen range god", "water god" "thunder god" are exist of course, but also there are "caretaker god" "poverty god" and so on. Too much generous! As a matter of cource, "the god" of christianism is one of the gods here in Japan.
Like this, Japanese people have been actively accepting many things of different natures. This caused such a nation with such a big curiosity. In the early modern age (16c-), things became still and peaceful, and citizens can have peaceful time. With the free time, they started doing many things really seriously (perhaps they are recognized as leisures). （ここら辺に朝顔の話をいれましょうか？） ... and the persistency that tries as much seriously as possible, even though for a silly thing. These factors caused today's high-tech nation Japan, and the passion of this clicking war. It is raelly big pleasure for us Japanese to have communicaion with you through the clicking war.
Hello, and first of all, I would like to thank you for your great work running the game. My name is OO, and I am a clicker enjoying this game from Japan. If it would be fine with you, I would like to ask you two favors.
Firstly, can clearly state when the game ends? As a gamer being allowed to play your game, I may not have the right to say this, but the fact that the ending of the game depends on your mood is somewhat disappointing. Many gamers feel this way, too.
Secondly, can you give us some time to rest between the games? The following game comes so abruptly, we cannot even have moment to get drunk on a sweet victory (lol).
This is all for now. I understand that you are very busy, but I look forward to hearing from you.
ハンガリアンからコメントで。 You know it's part of the hungarian nature to believe that every country is our enemies, and they're cheating, unlike us, who are the best, the great, the gods.Actually I hate that part of us.
そういえばコミュニケーションをとったハンガリー人はみな近いニュアンスのことを言う気が。 「people can't believe each other」だっけな。
VI. forduló vége. Japán-Taiwan szövetség? Game6の終わり。日本と台湾の同盟？ A VI. fordulót Japán nyerte, alig lemaradva Taiwan a 2., hazánk a 3. helyen végzett. Game6は日本が勝ち、わずかに遅れて台湾が2着、我々は3位でした。 Míg Japán és Tajvan is megszerezte egy egymilliárdodik kattintását, mi éppen félmilliárddal maradtunk le. Közben Japán a vezetést is átvette, és így egyre inkább azoknak lesz igazuk, akik arra gyanakodtak, hogy Japán összefogott Tajvannal. 日本と台湾が10億クリックを達成しましたが、我々は5億に留まりました。 途中に日本が主導権を取り戻し、そして、日本と台湾が同盟したという疑惑は いっそう真実味を帯びてきました。
こんにちは＝？＝szia＝hello ようこそ＝歡迎光臨＝udv＝welcome おはよう＝早安＝jo reggelt＝good morning おやすみ＝晩安＝？＝good night ありがとう＝謝謝＝koszi=thanks おつかれ＝辛苦了＝？=? またね＝再見＝Viszontlatasra=see you again さん（男性）＝先生＝Ur=Mr. ※どの国も敬称は名前の後ろ さん（未婚女性）＝小姐＝Kisasszony=Miss さん（既婚女性）＝？＝Holgy=Mises がんばれ＝加油＝？＝？ 勉強する＝学習＝？＝study 大丈夫＝無問題＝？＝no problem
えーと、イアンからメールが来ますた。 「あんたの言うスクリプトが何か、俺らには理解できないからしっかり書いてくれよ」（大意） と書いたら、公式サイトの表現が変更されてました。 ＞Anyone who uses scripts, tools, programs, or obtains clicks in an automated way, will be banned.
あ、ちなみに投票については mit gondolsz a Japán és Taiwan kapcsolatról? （日本と台湾の関係についてどう思う？） nincs semmi összeállás, csak barátkoznak, mint mi. （俺らと同じで普通に友好関係築いてるだけだろ。同盟とかねーよ） biztos, vagy valószínűleg összefognak egymással. （確実、もしくは多分組んで何かやってるぜ） ők nem csak egymással, hanem Iannal is összefognak!! （てか、イアンとも組んでるって絶対！） 選択肢が少ないって突っ込まれてｼｮﾎﾞｰﾝですが。
・上位３国のクリック数を見て下位の国がやる気を失って去ってしまうのは問題なんだ :-( ・我々はaboutページで「許可されないもの」についてはっきりさせた。 ・でもこの問題は我々がプログラム的にツール使用をはばむ手段をみつけるまで解決しないだろう。 がんばってるが今のところまだ難しい。 ・ゲーム終了＆ニューゲームの時間はあらかじめ決定されててプログラムで自動的に遷移する。 (The change over to each new game and the predetermined end time is all automatic at the moment.）
>>982 Anyone who uses scripts, tools, programs, or obtains clicks in an automated way, will be banned. この間までは「ツールはスクリプトじゃない」で、 今度は「BANされることと禁止は別」ですか。 ただ、やっぱり日本には「禁止」ならばツールを使わないって人が少なくないのだろうと思います。 その辺りは日本の弱点ですね。 ハンガリーでは禁止という事を踏まえた上で、勝つためにツール使うって意見が多かったですから。
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